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QUOTE(Feiticeira @ Jan 22 2005, 12:32 AM)
To call this argument absurd would be rather like saying The Beatles sold a few records.
Your opening argument against Christianity is a subjective, rhetorical question? You're asking about the what a God may or may not be able to do whilst simultaneously debating his existence? You're asking for the answer to a question about a being who must exist in order for your question to be answered?
Look up irony, son. You're asking a paradoxal question about a paradoxal situation. Hilarious.
Don't ask these ridiculous questions when you dubunk Christianity. Point out the painfully simple illogical reasoning behind it.
The Bible states that the world is somewhere between five and ten thousand years old.
Science shows, with evidence, that it is BILLIONS of years old.
The Bible makes no reference to dinosaurs, who predated its existence by a mere 100 million years. Why? Because dinosaurs were unheard of at the time.
According to Gensis, the two original people on Earth are the sole propogaters of humanity. Human Beings are therefore the largest and longest case of incest in history. Everyone would be exceptionally disfigured and mentally retarded.
EDIT: To answer your question: If God is real and omnipotent, he would simply move the ground from underneath such a rock. Or raise the ground beneath.
First of all, science cannot possibly show that the Earth is billions of years old. Science is the process by which objective persons observe a series of phenomena and make a statistical judgement by which others may 1) prove the judgement true or false, or 2) use it to make valuable predictions. For example, it is science that predicts that the Earth will rotate every 23-and-some-odd hours. Science always deals with the observable and testable, and assumptions of science are always repeatable. Having been completed prior to the emergenece of human intelligence, our creation is unrepeatable, and ergo not able to be scientifically proven or disproven.
People tell me that Christianity is irrational because I was not there to observe God "creating" anything, to which I say that, by that standard, all people are irrational in believing anything about our origins because no one was there to observe them. Yes, Christians have faith, but so do evolutionists and Christian-evolutionists. Everyone does. It seems to me that only Christians will admit it.
Secondly, the Bible makes numerous references to what you call "dinosaurs," which do, of course, conflict with your evolutionary theory. These references can be found in Job, Psalms, and Isaiah. But also note that the Bible was not an animal-record-keeping book. The Bible never mentions the ostrich. It never mentions the salamander. If a book fails to mention an animal, does it make it less valid? Of course not. Your line of reasoning excludes reasoning.
Thirdly, the Bible never says that Adam and Eve were the sole propogators of the human race. Also, incest does not always lead to disfigurement. Please note that the evolutionary theory claims we all evolved from a single cell (which is asexual, of course). However, eventually, two asexual organisms must have evolved by some random accident into a male and female to form a new species. Would that not be a case of incest? By the evolutionary line of reasoning, we're all products of incest. Get used to it.
The question of whether God can or cannot do such a thing is irrelevant, considering that God would not do such a thing. The question is not whether it is possible, but whether it is rational. God will not do something irrational, and therefore will not make a rock so large that he cannot lift it.
Christianity is an easy way to deal with the fact that we will all die, and I dislike this very much.
Why, aren't you compassionate?
, it is possible that we were created by supreme beings, or by science and chance alone.
I wonder how you think we were created by science.
Although I would like to point out like a previous poster said, the forming of DNA, cells, and the earth seems to point to some intervention.
Seems to?
This I believe cannot be real.
Rock-solid evidence, right there. And here I thought only Christians subscribed to "blind faith"? :P
But God should be all merciful.
Now you're trying to create your own god, and you're not debating whether the Christian God exists or not. You're telling us what God should be doing, instead of telling us why or why not he does or does not exist.
Would this not be better justice?
Everyone has a chance, a choice, to go to Heaven or Hell. I know what you're choosing, and despite everything you've said about God, he's willing to forgive you. That's pretty merciful. You must choose, however, whether or not you want him to forgive you.
would not shackle the repenting sinners for all of eternity and setence them to torture.
And he doesn't. Once a soul is in Hell, however, that soul has made the chocie to remain in there. That's why you must choose now instead of later.
Has anyone heard of the car evolution story...
Well, just in case you're wondering: years ago, scientists concluded that the possibility of a single cell forming from inanimate matter to a living organism had the same chance of a tornado traveling through any American junkyard and creating a running 747 jet with a full tank and completed runway, with the jet facing in the correct position and with all electronics running at full power.
Now, scientists believe the latter has a higher chance of occuring than the former.
Woooohooooooo~!~!~! More-->(click)
To call this argument absurd would be rather like saying The Beatles sold a few records.
Your opening argument against Christianity is a subjective, rhetorical question? You're asking about the what a God may or may not be able to do whilst simultaneously debating his existence? You're asking for the answer to a question about a being who must exist in order for your question to be answered?
Look up irony, son. You're asking a paradoxal question about a paradoxal situation. Hilarious.
Don't ask these ridiculous questions when you dubunk Christianity. Point out the painfully simple illogical reasoning behind it.
The Bible states that the world is somewhere between five and ten thousand years old.
Science shows, with evidence, that it is BILLIONS of years old.
The Bible makes no reference to dinosaurs, who predated its existence by a mere 100 million years. Why? Because dinosaurs were unheard of at the time.
According to Gensis, the two original people on Earth are the sole propogaters of humanity. Human Beings are therefore the largest and longest case of incest in history. Everyone would be exceptionally disfigured and mentally retarded.
EDIT: To answer your question: If God is real and omnipotent, he would simply move the ground from underneath such a rock. Or raise the ground beneath.
First of all, science cannot possibly show that the Earth is billions of years old. Science is the process by which objective persons observe a series of phenomena and make a statistical judgement by which others may 1) prove the judgement true or false, or 2) use it to make valuable predictions. For example, it is science that predicts that the Earth will rotate every 23-and-some-odd hours. Science always deals with the observable and testable, and assumptions of science are always repeatable. Having been completed prior to the emergenece of human intelligence, our creation is unrepeatable, and ergo not able to be scientifically proven or disproven.
People tell me that Christianity is irrational because I was not there to observe God "creating" anything, to which I say that, by that standard, all people are irrational in believing anything about our origins because no one was there to observe them. Yes, Christians have faith, but so do evolutionists and Christian-evolutionists. Everyone does. It seems to me that only Christians will admit it.
Secondly, the Bible makes numerous references to what you call "dinosaurs," which do, of course, conflict with your evolutionary theory. These references can be found in Job, Psalms, and Isaiah. But also note that the Bible was not an animal-record-keeping book. The Bible never mentions the ostrich. It never mentions the salamander. If a book fails to mention an animal, does it make it less valid? Of course not. Your line of reasoning excludes reasoning.
Thirdly, the Bible never says that Adam and Eve were the sole propogators of the human race. Also, incest does not always lead to disfigurement. Please note that the evolutionary theory claims we all evolved from a single cell (which is asexual, of course). However, eventually, two asexual organisms must have evolved by some random accident into a male and female to form a new species. Would that not be a case of incest? By the evolutionary line of reasoning, we're all products of incest. Get used to it.
The question of whether God can or cannot do such a thing is irrelevant, considering that God would not do such a thing. The question is not whether it is possible, but whether it is rational. God will not do something irrational, and therefore will not make a rock so large that he cannot lift it.
Christianity is an easy way to deal with the fact that we will all die, and I dislike this very much.
Why, aren't you compassionate?
, it is possible that we were created by supreme beings, or by science and chance alone.
I wonder how you think we were created by science.
Although I would like to point out like a previous poster said, the forming of DNA, cells, and the earth seems to point to some intervention.
Seems to?
This I believe cannot be real.
Rock-solid evidence, right there. And here I thought only Christians subscribed to "blind faith"? :P
But God should be all merciful.
Now you're trying to create your own god, and you're not debating whether the Christian God exists or not. You're telling us what God should be doing, instead of telling us why or why not he does or does not exist.
Would this not be better justice?
Everyone has a chance, a choice, to go to Heaven or Hell. I know what you're choosing, and despite everything you've said about God, he's willing to forgive you. That's pretty merciful. You must choose, however, whether or not you want him to forgive you.
would not shackle the repenting sinners for all of eternity and setence them to torture.
And he doesn't. Once a soul is in Hell, however, that soul has made the chocie to remain in there. That's why you must choose now instead of later.
Has anyone heard of the car evolution story...
Well, just in case you're wondering: years ago, scientists concluded that the possibility of a single cell forming from inanimate matter to a living organism had the same chance of a tornado traveling through any American junkyard and creating a running 747 jet with a full tank and completed runway, with the jet facing in the correct position and with all electronics running at full power.
Now, scientists believe the latter has a higher chance of occuring than the former.
Woooohooooooo~!~!~! More-->(click)
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